Ryan Matthews #1 Pick?

whatadai · Jul 27, 2010

K Train said: ↑

sproles is awful as a full time back...he gets shut down so easily despite his occasional heroics. they paid him that much money because they needed him, not because hes great
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I never said he'll be full-time. They need him for passing downs.

ragman said: ↑

Sometimes that works, and sometimes it doesn't.

I remember taking Darren McFadden when he came out of Arkansas in this very same fantasy league. He hasn't lived up to his potential yet. Maybe it's the team he's on.
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McFadden gets injured too much and goes down on first contact, just like Mathews.

Bryant will also be getting punt returns and some kick returns, even more chances to pad his stats for ROY.

86WARD · Jul 27, 2010

whatadai said: ↑

The Chargers' offense is overrated mostly with VJax and McNeill out, they don't have anything else. You only have Gates, who is starting to play injured every damn game. You don't give a guy $7.3 million to sit on the bench and "spell" the starter. It's a split situation with Sproles as the passing downs guy, he's always done well in that role.

You obviously don't play PPR in a fantasy league. Yes, there are a chunk of RBs you can name that get more receptions than Grant, but they are not FEATURED like him. This already makes him a RB1 in today's leagues. The 20ish receptions he get each year just boost his numbers more to make him a top 10 RB fantasy-wise. He gets switched out on passing downs? What games are you watching? Who do they put in instead? Brandon Jackson? Are you kidding me? I can see James Starks taking over the passing downs role, but he's too raw and it won't happen until the 2011 season, so production wise Grant will still post up huge numbers in 2010 barring injury. That is why I said Grant would be the better pick for 2010 production.

Hardwick back? So all he can do is run down the middle? Cause he definitely can't run behind Clary/Vasquez on the right or behind Thomas on the left. Dielman is a decent run blocker, but he's getting worse and that left was anchored by McNeill's awesome run blocking, which made Dielman look better. The AFC West has also improved their run defense. The Raiders have McClain in the middle, Seymour moving to the middle at the 3-technique, and Henderson and Kelly rotating at NT. The Broncos signed Jamal Williams for the middle and signed Ayodele to be next to Williams. Ayodele isn't great, but will do very well next to Williams. The Chiefs are actually becoming smart and will probably start Derrick Johnson now, and signed Shaun Smith.

The offensive line matters a lot. Yes, great runningbacks can do well behind horrible offensive line, but who's to say Mathews is a great runningback? The guy is a rookie and needs all the help he can get, yet in my opinion defenses he'll play against have gotten better at stopping the run while his offensive line has gotten worse at run blocking, the team's passing game is crap without McNeill and VJax and won't complement his running, and he'll be splitting with Sproles. Greenbay's offensive line is great. I don't think you pay attention to them enough. The only problem with them is that it's difficult for them to stay healthy, but if they do Grant will be even more explosive than last year. Jennings couldn't stretch the field last year because the offensive line couldn't give Rodgers enough time. With injuries over with they'll start passing to Jennings again and JerMichael Finley has emerged into a huge threat, which gives Grant the possibility of doing even better.

If Mathews gets 250+ carries he'll break something. 30-40 catches? The Lions also say they'll win 10+ games every year! I don't think the guy has even caught 30 receptions in his college career let alone the NFL. How can you tell if a guy can catch when he never does it?

When did I say that Bryant will do better than Austin? All I said was he'll be ROY over Mathews any day. You're the one that's uninformed since he doesn't have to be the #1 receiver on his team to become ROY. Percy Harvin hit 60 receptions his rookie year, won ROY, and wasn't even the #1 target on his team. Roy Williams could have easily hit 60 receptions last year as the third target on his team, he was just too stupid to run his routes correctly and dropped like 20% of the balls that came to him. He doesn't need to do great, he just needs to do better than all the other rookies which isn't difficult since he's one of the top offensive rookie players coming out and has one of the better opportunities to do well right away.
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I don't think you could be more wrong.

Mathews is the number one back in San Diego and he'll play third downs. They aren't splitting anything with Sproles. Sproles is a change of pace back. That's it. Mathews has great hands and will play on third downs.

I could probably find 20-30 backs that have more catches than Grant's 25...probably half of those starting RB's/ His hands are awful and they do indeed take him out on third downs. Last year they spelled him with exactly who you suggested...Jackson and Ahman Green. Jackson had a good amount of catches. I'd be willing to say it was close to what Grant had. Is Jackson a great replacement? No. Lumpkin or Starks have just as good a chance to take that role. But Grant got pulled a good amount on third downs. You can't argue with the history. Grant got a good amount of carries last season but it was way down from 2008.

So losing the starting Center really doesn't affect an O-Line? lol...

You keep saying how good the AFC West is...have you looked at the Vikings D line? The Lions improved D-Line? Come on...that's a weak argument.

Again...Sproles isn't "splitting carries" with Mathews.

The only thing you said that was accurate was the possibility of Mathews getting injured...

86WARD · Jul 27, 2010

whatadai said: ↑

McFadden gets injured too much and goes down on first contact, just like Mathews.
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lol...

mike oxlong · Jul 27, 2010

whatadai said: ↑

The Chargers' offense is overrated mostly with VJax and McNeill out, they don't have anything else. You only have Gates, who is starting to play injured every damn game. You don't give a guy $7.3 million to sit on the bench and "spell" the starter. It's a split situation with Sproles as the passing downs guy, he's always done well in that role.

You obviously don't play PPR in a fantasy league. Yes, there are a chunk of RBs you can name that get more receptions than Grant, but they are not FEATURED like him. This already makes him a RB1 in today's leagues. The 20ish receptions he get each year just boost his numbers more to make him a top 10 RB fantasy-wise. He gets switched out on passing downs? What games are you watching? Who do they put in instead? Brandon Jackson? Are you kidding me? I can see James Starks taking over the passing downs role, but he's too raw and it won't happen until the 2011 season, so production wise Grant will still post up huge numbers in 2010 barring injury. That is why I said Grant would be the better pick for 2010 production.

Hardwick back? So all he can do is run down the middle? Cause he definitely can't run behind Clary/Vasquez on the right or behind Thomas on the left. Dielman is a decent run blocker, but he's getting worse and that left was anchored by McNeill's awesome run blocking, which made Dielman look better. The AFC West has also improved their run defense. The Raiders have McClain in the middle, Seymour moving to the middle at the 3-technique, and Henderson and Kelly rotating at NT. The Broncos signed Jamal Williams for the middle and signed Ayodele to be next to Williams. Ayodele isn't great, but will do very well next to Williams. The Chiefs are actually becoming smart and will probably start Derrick Johnson now, and signed Shaun Smith.

The offensive line matters a lot. Yes, great runningbacks can do well behind horrible offensive line, but who's to say Mathews is a great runningback? The guy is a rookie and needs all the help he can get, yet in my opinion defenses he'll play against have gotten better at stopping the run while his offensive line has gotten worse at run blocking, the team's passing game is crap without McNeill and VJax and won't complement his running, and he'll be splitting with Sproles. Greenbay's offensive line is great. I don't think you pay attention to them enough. The only problem with them is that it's difficult for them to stay healthy, but if they do Grant will be even more explosive than last year. Jennings couldn't stretch the field last year because the offensive line couldn't give Rodgers enough time. With injuries over with they'll start passing to Jennings again and JerMichael Finley has emerged into a huge threat, which gives Grant the possibility of doing even better.

If Mathews gets 250+ carries he'll break something. 30-40 catches? The Lions also say they'll win 10+ games every year! I don't think the guy has even caught 30 receptions in his college career let alone the NFL. How can you tell if a guy can catch when he never does it?

When did I say that Bryant will do better than Austin? All I said was he'll be ROY over Mathews any day. You're the one that's uninformed since he doesn't have to be the #1 receiver on his team to become ROY. Percy Harvin hit 60 receptions his rookie year, won ROY, and wasn't even the #1 target on his team. Roy Williams could have easily hit 60 receptions last year as the third target on his team, he was just too stupid to run his routes correctly and dropped like 20% of the balls that came to him. He doesn't need to do great, he just needs to do better than all the other rookies which isn't difficult since he's one of the top offensive rookie players coming out and has one of the better opportunities to do well right away.
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You don't give a guy $7.3 million to sit on the bench and "spell" the starter. It's a split situation with Sproles as the passing downs guy, he's always done well in that role.

Sproles split, bwahhhhhhhhhh sproles is a spell back, that's why they traded up in the first to draft Matthews to be their franchise back. They have said it and that's what it will be. Trying to say a guy will get injured is a ridiculous excuse, it's the NFL anyone can get hurt. This is about projecting guys that are healthy now. Just to help INFORM YOU, They paid him close to that 7.3 mill last year to average 5 rushes and 3 catches a game.

You obviously don't play PPR in a fantasy league. Yes, there are a chunk of RBs you can name that get more receptions than Grant, but they are not FEATURED like him.

Oh like, Forte, Hightower, Ray Rice, MJD, Gore, Steven Jackson, Chris Johnson, Addai...who all had over 50 catches. Grant was 33rd in catches for RB's behind PLENTY OF FEATURED BACKS keep talking out your ass

He gets switched out on passing downs? What games are you watching? Who do they put in instead? Brandon Jackson? Are you kidding me?

It was Jackson, Kuhn, Hall, Green (38 catches between them)and nearly anyone else including lining up LB/TE Havner in the backfield at times on passing downs. What games are YOU watching?

If Mathews gets 250+ carries he'll break something. 30-40 catches? The Lions also say they'll win 10+ games every year! I don't think the guy has even caught 30 receptions in his college career let alone the NFL. How can you tell if a guy can catch when he never does it?

It's already been stated that he will get the carries, you don't trade up and trade picks to take a RB in the top 12 and not make him the franchise guy. 30 receptions is 2 catches a game, not hard to do.

He doesn't need to do great, he just needs to do better than all the other rookies which isn't difficult since he's one of the top offensive rookie players coming out and has one of the better opportunities to do well right away.

This is a fantasy discussion, not who will win ROY, nice way to deflect to change the conversation. 60 catches for a WR is crap for fantasy, that crap is WR 3 numbers and in no way will be worth a high draft pick in fantasy football.

You're arguments are foolish at best and only proves to show how little you know about football and fantasy football.

Jihad Joe · Jul 27, 2010

MAX Dez gets is 50 catch's. He wont get many more looks then Crayton did, but he will have more TD's and a higher YPC. 45, 700-800 with 6 or 7 TD's is reasonable

He also wont beat Williams out. Williams is quitely having a good camp, and Phillips is gun shy with young players. He wont pull the trigger until he absolutely has too.

Bryant has no shot at ROY

Dont know what he has to do with this thread, but just thought I would throw that in since it came up

Also Romo has always leaned heavily on the #1 WR, be it Owens or Austin and Witten. The #2 WR spot with Romo, even when Glenn was playing at a high level in 2006, has been a major afterthought. I wouldn't touch a Dallas receiver other than Witten and Austin

K Train · Jul 28, 2010

harvin won with 60 and 6. i think bryant has a good shot, hes a big name on a high profile team. if he does well people will see it. i disagree with you on it because he really looks like a man among boys so far from what ive seen he could easily put up ROY numbers and be a final canidate

and matthews will too, he is NOT just like mcfadden. mcfadden has chicken legs

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