Rivers Vs Cutler

Right, because the Chargers' run game was great the last 2 seasons, yet those were Rivers' best 2 seasons.

Also Denver having an awful running game is overrated, Cutler's last 2 seasons with the Broncos:

07: 122.3 ypg, 9th - Chargers 127.4, 7th
08: 116.4 ypg. 12th - Chargers 107.9, 20th

The Chargers in 09: 88.9 ypg, 31st.

So the truth is Rivers is the one that had to deal with a worse running game, yet those were his 2 best seasons.

As far as a bad defense goes, that explains why the team wasn't good, but it isn't a negative for Cutler, it actually gives him more opportunities to pad his stats. Versus having a good defense and lead tends to result in a more conservative offense.

Look it's not a surprise that the AFC West fans agree that Rivers is better than Cutler without question. It's because we've seen them both play probably more than others.

 

I've change my mind. I've decided to vote... for Cutler.

 

The options are Rivers or Cutler, not Cutler or Eli....

 

Most of us believe Rivers is better even in giving Cutler some credit, but you still can't comprehend that anyone could dare not choose Philip over Jay. People with varying opinions, mind-boggling indeed.

I defended Cutler because Mr. Arrow up there had an obvious bone to pick with him and his Rivers sack riding (gushing) is disgusting as a division rival fan so someone needed to play devils advocate.

You have arguably a top 5 QB and yet you're all defensive about your boy. Feelings must run deep.

 

You may think I'm being defensive, all I'm doing is pointing out facts. The only reasons given to pick Cutler is because he's had poor weapons to work with, I've already shown that isn't true, then it was because he had a poor running game when it turns out Rivers had much worse to work with.

Face it there's no reason to think Cutler is the better QB. He doesn't win, he doesn't have better stats, and he doesn't have better intangibles.

Maybe when you guys picking Cutler point at something valid that makes it even debatable the opinion won't be looked at as ridiculous, so far there's been nothing. It has nothing to do with Cutler or disliking the guy.

 

He can stretch the field far better than Rivers.

His arm strength is off-the-charts, a generational arm like Favre, Elway and Stafford. He can throw with nice touch and it comes out quickly with a consistent, tight spiral.

He is surprisingly mobile, with good straight line speed, decent agility and doesn't mind lowering his shoulder if he needs to.

He is very competitive, and will take the team on his arm alone.

He is very durable, and can (and will) throw 50-60 passes a game.

He is completely fearless in the passing game. He thinks he can make every throw and fit the ball through the tightest windows. He will place a lot of trust in his receiver (if he's good - Marshall) and throw it up to him instead of throwing it away.

There you go. Reasons to like Cutler. Obviously, there's reasons not to like him, but that's not the point I'm making.

 

I know your not talking about me? Because you dont wanna get me started.

 

Yea, I was off-base there.

I believe what I said in my original post... but obviously it's some coulda woulda shoulda bs so it's nothing more than an opinion.

Who else has a name with Arrow in it and a big I told you so post in Rivers corner? Lopsided threads ftw, how about a Peyton Vs. Donovan thread next.

And who says that... lol, "you dont wanna get me started." as some threat like anyone gives a heck what you might say. It's the internet, it's a discussion forum, it's your thread that you made for a second time now? Please "get started" and discuss with the rest of us. Bolt is making a damn good argument for his boy. You... you just come off mad like in your Cassel thread.

 

dude, can the personal attacks.

 

Why the personal attacks Arrow... not necessary and against forum rules.

Off-topic but... I like where my Giants are at... we are better as underdogs anyway... and I love Eli no matter where he ranks statistically, and besides, he had his best year last year statistically so he keeps getting better every year. Lots to look forward to. :icon_smile: I ain't mad.

 

Then every1s happy with their qbs. Believe it or not I wouldn't trade cassel for any of these guys. Love his work ethic and commitment too much.

 

Same here with Eli. Hope Cassel works out for you guys.

 

Thanks man and hope da g-men get back on trail this year for u.

 

get a room

 

If anyone here doesn't want opinions from others than maybe they need to seek another board, this site is here for all opinions whether or not you agree. Now Arrow you have been warned for the last time about your personal attacks on others, next time a yellow card will be sent so chill because it takes a crap load before you get carded here and you've been warned enough, also anyone, mods included need to check their posts before they click send because there are some who could be carded as well.

 

So your entire arguement boils down to his potential?

1st of all of few of those points don't make him better because Rivers has the same attributes:

Rivers is one of the most competitive QBs out there, the guy loves the game, loves to compete and hates losing. I've seen Cutler numerous times seem to be indifferent with the way a game is going, he may talk the talk but I haven't seen him lead his team to a win. Rivers has a never quit attitude, we could be losing by 35 and the guy still thinks we can win the game, and he's won a lot of these type of games, luck plays into it but you need a guy to push the team for these things to happen.

As far durability, Rivers has never missed a game so he's as durable as Cutler, and even when Rivers does get hurt he's tough enough to still play even if it's on 1 leg.

Rivers is fearless as well, but there is being fearless and being stupid, a lot of times throwing it as hard as you can isn't the smartest thing to do, and adding touch is very key, something Cutler hasn't really shown he can do.

The rest (mobility and strong arm) you could say the same thing about Cutler vs Peyton. Doesn't make Cutler better. I think it's fair to say that you don't think Cutler is better than Peyton even though Cutler has the better talent.

Bottom line Talent is nice, but if you don't fulfill your talent (potential) it doesn't really matter, plenty of guys have had great talent and didn't really do much with it (Vick, Boller, Russel, Leaf, Dilfer etc.)

 

Well done missing the point.

You originally said there no reasons to like Cutler. I gave you reasons.

I PERSONALLY prefer Cutler. I'd take him over Rivers 100 times out of 100 (said it before in this very thread).

Then I listed the reasons why I like him.

I like Rivers too, I think he's an amazing quarterback, but he doesn't possess all the attributes I look for in MY guy.

Jay Cutler does.

 

Um I didn't miss any points, re-read my post. I didn't say there was no reasons to like Cutler, I said there was no reason to think he was a better QB. Obviously he has some likable assets, he wouldn't have been a 1st round pick if he didn't, but you know what so did the QBs I mentioned in my post (Russel, Vick, Boller, Leaf, Dilfer etc.).

You can take Cutler all you want, doesn't mean it's smart or the right decision. It's just your opinion on what you like to see in a QB, doesn't make him a better QB.

Personally I look for a QB to have leadership skills, a strong enough arm to make the throws, accuracy, never quit attitude, smarts, the ability to push his team to win (could be viewed under leadership), toughness etc.

All the things Rivers and other great QBs have shown to have. Cutler on the other hand lacks on quite a few of those attributes and a lot of them are very key.

You think Elway would ever be great if he wasn't a great leader, or didn't have the smarts or the ability to push his team to win?

Or Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, Dan Fouts etc.

These greats all have similar things in common, I see these things in Rivers, I don't in Cutler.

Not all of these guys had the strongest arm or the best mobility, but they were tough, great leaders, smart, had a drive to win etc.

I'll take a great QB over a talented one any day, because talent doesn't equal greatness.

 

I'm going to end my argument with this:

Jay Cutler FTW. That is all.