Let The Debate Begin

Discussion in 'NFL General Discussion' started by markaz, Feb 2, 2015.

  1. markaz

    markaz Resident Cards Fan Staff Member

    Same book....yeah. Same page? Not if those three are on it.
     
  2. 86WARD

    86WARD -

    Not totally true.

    Two examples:

    • Bradshaw steps up at his 19 and fires a gorgeous lob into John Stallworth's hands at the Los Angeles Rams 32 with a title on the line in Super Bowl XIV, resulting in a 73-yard touchdown.

    • Bradshaw unleashing from his 30 — just as he absorbs a concussion-causing hit — and places a perfect bomb onto Lynn Swann's fingertips at the Dallas 6 in Super Bowl X. Couldn't have been more accurate if he'd walked up and placed the ball in Swann's hands.

    Read more: http://triblive.com/sports/joestarkey/7691948-74/bradshaw-bowl-super#ixzz3Qj5Tn8zL

    If you are talking Super Bowls, which I am, Elway has no business being in the conversation. He was actually pretty below average in those games. He really has no business being in a conversation with Montana and Brady. None at all.
     
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  3. markaz

    markaz Resident Cards Fan Staff Member

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    I'll give you that one. Don't know why I would even remotely support a comment about Elway. Never could stand the pr**k ever since his pre-draft declaration "I don't want to play there" and went to his room without dinner.
     
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  4. smeags

    smeags militant geek

    fine, then elway goes on the 2nd page and bradshaw on the back cover.

    there. i compromised.
     
  5. smeags

    smeags militant geek


    sorry i all heard was [​IMG]
     
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  6. TJ

    TJ Dez Caught It

    You want a debate? Let's debate...

    Tom Brady is the luckiest SOB to ever walk on this earth. And I have proof:

    1) Drafted in the 6th round in 2000
    All teams passed on him. Multiple times. Even the Browns took somebody named Spergon Wynn 16 picks earlier. Change that pick, make the Browns draft Brady, and we're not even having this conversation.

    2) Bledsoe gets injured.
    You never lose your job due to injury. Unless your coach is Bill Bellichick. Or Jim Harbaugh.

    3) The tuck rule.
    This one doesn't even need an explanation.

    4) Vinatieri makes the greatest FG of all-time.
    No, I'm not talking about Super Bowl XXXVI. I'm talking about that same Raiders game. A 48-yd FG in a snow storm against the Wind. I still believe that if you make Vinatieri try that FG ten times, he only nails it once or twice.

    (And don't forget Bledsoe came back to beat the Steelers in the AFCCG one week later).

    5) Kasay f--ks up.
    The Panthers had just tied the game with less than two minutes remaining...and John Kasay botches the kick-off giving Brady and the Patriots great field position for the game winner...kicked by Vinatieri again.

    6) Donovan McNabb and Andy Reid in Super Bowl XXXIX
    Enough said.



    From here, karma started to balance out: Peyton's comeback in the 2006 AFCCG (helped by a ridiculous Reche Caldwell drop), the Tyree catch, the Manningham catch, the Welker drop, and then the Kearse catch last sunday. That time he was bailed out by Butler.


    Also remember: when he tore his ACL in 2008, the Patriots STILL went 11-5 with Matt Freakin' Cassel at QB.


    QBs like Peyton Manning or Tony Romo are blamed when they lose big games, or playoff games, when most of the time it's not even their fault. It's the same with Brady: he gets praised when the Patriots win big games, when most of the time it was thanks to the defense, or even the kicker.


    My point is...I can't think of a single moment in which Brady won a big game by himself, like Montana had with THE CATCH by Clark, or the Taylor pass to beat the Bengals (and its previous drive). I agree with smeags when he was talking about Bradshaw, and I think I'd put Brady in that same level. Just below Montana, Elway and maybe (MAYBE) Favre.


    A great QB? Sure!! Top 5 of all time? Maybe. Greatest of all time? No way. Luckiest? Hell yeah.
     
  7. Walnuts

    Walnuts All-Pro

    Ahem...
    http://grantland.com/the-triangle/lucky-and-good-how-tom-brady-became-the-greatest/
     
  8. TJ

    TJ Dez Caught It

    Exactly!! I just gave you a summary xD
     
  9. 86WARD

    86WARD -

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  10. 86WARD

    86WARD -

    Elway's not even in the same library. Lol.
     
  11. Walnuts

    Walnuts All-Pro

    Elway was a average QB talent with a propensity for pulling the occasional miracle out of his ass, who never would have gotten a ring if he didnt get to ride Terrell Davis' coattails. I didn't understand then, and even less so now, why people seemed to think he was so amazing.
     
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  12. smeags

    smeags militant geek

    stop. those early denver teams only made it to the super bowl due to elway. without him they wouldve been shirt.
     
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  13. Walnuts

    Walnuts All-Pro

    Pfffft no.
     
  14. smeags

    smeags militant geek

    obviously your water pipe incident was more serious then you first thought.
     
  15. markaz

    markaz Resident Cards Fan Staff Member

    A freakin' John Elway debate for Honorable Mention:laughpound:
     
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  16. smeags

    smeags militant geek

    Btw I'm hoping mariota pulls an elway and refuses to play for anyone but kelly.
     
  17. Diesel44

    Diesel44 Serial Killer

    I Heard he loves carrots.
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  18. Diesel44

    Diesel44 Serial Killer

    worked pretty good for eli manning.
     
  19. Jihad Joe

    Jihad Joe Life to Infidels

    Did someone compare Terry Bradshaw to Russell Wilson
     
  20. Diesel44

    Diesel44 Serial Killer

    I Would compare wilson to roger staubach,not terry bradshaw. Staubach was the 1970s version of wilson,vick,kapperknack and steve young. he was like catching lightning in a bottle.