Does Email Show How Lions Really Feel About Their Fans?

Discussion in 'Detroit Lions' started by SRW, May 18, 2008.

  1. SRW

    SRW Ex-World's Worst Site Admin

    Does e-mail show how Lions really feel about their fans?
  2. Weezy

    Weezy Ice Cold

    heck me well heck you to lions
  3. Marion Who?

    Marion Who? Captain Stiff Arm

    Matt Millen. Weezy, I actually feel sorry for you bud.
  4. Sportsguy

    Sportsguy AKA-Sportsguy9695

    o yea I feel bad for ya
  5. ollysj

    ollysj iKraut

    Move them to LA! :icon_cheesygrin:
  6. Weezy

    Weezy Ice Cold

    no :icon_slaughter:
  7. WarEagle

    WarEagle Team Veteran

    I feel for ya to, Wheezy. What are Lions fans' take on Millen? Because to outsiders, I don't think there is a worse GM in the league.
  8. Weezy

    Weezy Ice Cold

    and this is the truth MM has 3 body guards becuase there have been 4 death threats in the last 2 years, (that we know of)

    to us MM is the worst GM in the league as well, and needs to be removed from office by the Commish for the betterment of the game
  9. lions2055

    lions2055 Special Teamer

  10. happ

    happ PECAVI

    Lions Say F--- 'em To Season Ticket Holders In Email.
    PUBLISHED: Friday, May 16, 2008
    Does e-mail show how Lions really feel about their fans?

    Of The Oakland Press

    When Kevin Furlong received an e-mail from an employee of the Detroit Lions ticket office, he did a double take.

    "F--- 'em until next year," it said.

    It was an inadvertent transmission, meant to be sent from one Lions employee, Matt Schul, to another, Lance Powser, about Furlong's ordeal with the Lions ticket office. Furlong felt compelled to cancel six season tickets worth more than $5,000 for the 2008 season. The Lions were trying to convince him to renew.

    "It was extremely disappointing," Furlong said of his reaction to the e-mail.

    Cast aside the graphic language and examine only the meaning, and I find these words to be telling. In my opinion, they sum up the organization's attitude in its totality.

    The Lions take their support for granted.

    It's why owner William Clay Ford crassly, the rare times he speaks to the media these days, praises team president Matt Millen -- who has compiled a 31-81 record since being handed the keys to the franchise in 2001.

    It's why Millen smugly passes off Lion fans as if they are a necessary evil, as he lives in what is essentially a football executive's fantasyland. He is the primary decisionmaker when it comes to the Lions' player personnel -- without culpability for a mountain of failings.

    To believe there isn't a trickle-down effect from the top to throughout the remainder of the organization would be naive.

    And I can't help but believe Furlong, a 49-year-old resident of Livonia, who works as a CPA in West Bloomfield, didn't feel the brunt of the Lions' attitude.

    Lions executive vice president and chief operating officer Tom Lewand vehemently disagreed with my contention there is a correlation between the tone set by Ford and Millen -- and this incident.

    "If you write that, it will be factually incorrect and bordering on slander," Lewand said. "And I will come after you."

    Do I feel threatened by Lewand? No. Am I angry he said those things. No. They were said out of loyalty and emotion -- and I understand and respect that.

    But it doesn't change my opinion. And I don't believe I'm exactly a club of one in this town when it comes to believing Lions leadership is inept and insensitive.

    Furlong owned season tickets for three years. He had two in the club level the first year. The second year, he received two more in the lower level stands after being on a waiting list -- so he had four. The third season, they reduced the size of the club level, including a portion where his seats were located, which were on the aisle.

    He said he wanted to keep those two seats, add two club-level seats and asked that two seats he had in the stands be combined with his seats from the club level that were moved to the stands. The Lions agreed. It gave him six season tickets.

    But when he went to sit in his old seats, somebody else was sitting in them. He asked them to leave, but when he looked at his tickets, he noticed his seats had been moved.

    "It was an embarrassing and awkward moment," Furlong said. "I was stunned."

    When he contacted the Lions, he was told nothing could be done about it during the 2007 season, but he was promised aisle seats for 2008.

    Yet, when Furlong received his season ticket invoice for 2008, it was for the same seats he had in 2007.

    It was then that Furlong canceled his season tickets in an e-mail to Schul. Powser then e-mailed Furlong with an offer for more desirable seats, but Furlong said it was a matter of principle -- and he wouldn't accept the offer.

    Then Furlong received the inadvertent e-mail from Schul.

    The entire e-mail reads, "Lance...he is not talking about you here. Mark was asked to speak to these people and he said no. F... 'em until next year."

    "Mark" is Lions ticket director Mark Graham.

    Once he heard of the e-mail, Lewand called Furlong and invited him to a game.

    "I did so before I heard from any media on this," he said.

    Lewand offered no excuses for the incident, but absolved Graham from blame, although the e-mail in question indicates Graham refused to discuss the issue with season ticketholders such as Furlong, who had their seats unexpectedly moved for the 2007 season.

    "It was an inaccurate characterization of a conversation held in 2007, not this year,'' Lewand said of Schul's e-mail.

    Lewand said he was, "deeply disappointed with the e-mail and light it portrayed, and I have addressed it."

    "There are a number of different levels this could have been avoided and we realize that," Lewand said. "One, with the invoice we sent out for this year. If it had been correct, none of this would have happened. We never condone our fans being discussed in that manner, whether it be in an e-mail or any type of discussion among members of our organization."

    Furlong is not pleased with the Lions organization, but feels no animosity toward Schul. He was hesitant to make the e-mail public for fear Schul would be the fall guy for the incident.

    "Matt was the one person who was trying to help us, and I feel for him, but it didn't sound like anybody else there cared," Furlong said.

    His anger hit a head when the Lions started offering partial season ticket packages this week.

    "When they came out with the partial ticket packages, I just couldn't take it anymore," Furlong said. "Evidently, the way they are treating fans isn't working out to well for them."

    Leward said the Lions do appreciate their fans. "We care deeply about our fans and their support," he said. "That's not to make any excuses about this. I'm as upset as Kevin is about this, but it doesn't reflect the overwhelming way we treat our ticket holders or our fans."

    There are two ways to look at that. One is a matter of customer satisfaction. Kevin Furlong was not a satisfied customer, but it seems to me the issue is deeper than that.

    "F... 'em until next year." Where did that attitude come from?

    We can only hope it isn't the unofficial team slogan.
  11. happ

    happ PECAVI

    I think they've had this attitude for nearly a decade...why else is Matt Millen still around?
  12. smeags

    smeags militant geek

    wow - another glowing moment in lians history.
  13. DawkinsINT

    DawkinsINT Tebow free since 9/5/2015.

    That's hilarious.
  14. happ

    happ PECAVI

    Doh, I'm glad my first grade teacher isn't here to see how I spell 25 years later.
  15. Weezy

    Weezy Ice Cold

    heck you to Lions heck you to
  16. DaBearsrule4ever

    DaBearsrule4ever Hall Of Famer

    Oh poor Lions fans. Spending hundreds and thousands of dollars on season tickets and Matt Millen has put nothing but garbage on the field since 2001, LOL. Millen should be thankful he doesn't work for Al Davis because even Al Davis would have had the common sense to fire his butt atleast three or four years ago.
  17. Jammin Jaguar

    Jammin Jaguar English Student.

    Stupid Lions staff.
  18. Weezy

    Weezy Ice Cold

    :icon_thumleft: i just sold my season tickets on EBAY
  19. 86WARD

    86WARD -

    Oh boy...

    Not good...Funny, but not good. Hope that guy has a good savings account...because he's pretty muched "f---ked" himself!
  20. Sportsguy

    Sportsguy AKA-Sportsguy9695

    wow what a bad time to be a Lion fan. If i was a ticket holder I would really be pissed off. I might of even switch teams