Discussion in 'Basketball Talk' started by ragman, Jun 24, 2014.
i'm sure kobe wouldn't mind taking a back seat to lebron.
drafted him. I am talking about going to a team that has an established star.
To be fair, MJ had already won when Rodman arrived.
A better comparison would be MJ joining the Pistons or Celtics in the late 80's - early 90's when he couldn't get past them. That's what LeBron did. "If you can't beat them, join them".
Chicago was the place to go for washed up players trying to get a ring. Sorta like Miami now.
They lost the year before they got Rodman. Jordan needed help to get back to winning championships. Jordan also decided to retire the second time when Pippen and Phil Jackson were leaving.
To act like Jordan didn't want any help to win championships is insane.
they came to him, he didn't go to them.
I don't recall any pep rallies with Jordan promising 10 rings.
Only because he didn't have to. If he never got Phil Jackson and had the opportunity to go to him, he would have.
no he wouldn't. Jordan wanted to do it his way. there is no way he would have went to say Boston or Lakers or Knicks and try to win one there. Besides, if James is the best that ever was, he would have taken over the game and went for 80. He don't. He wants others to take control. when he finally gets the nuts to take over, it is too late. Not a basketball fan of any team. Just sick of hearing that James is the best ever and he wasn't. He is not an assassin. Jordan was, Bird was, Magic was. James is not. He is a very good Pippen. I actually think Pippen was better than James.
Damn...it took me this long to figure out you are just trolling...haha.
old wise one. you got me. had you all going though. Lebron still sucks though.
I actually agree with Buck.
I'm with buck except the part about pippen being better than LeBron. No way Jordan goes anywhere to play with someone else. They had a different mindset back then. Everyone wasn't best friends. And Jordan's ego wouldn't allow him to be second fiddle on another team like LeBron was to wade at first.
the only reason rodman ended up in chicago is because the bulls traded for him along with purdue in a effort to fill the void horace grant left when he rolled. so this wasnt a free agent making the choice to go with jordan. the two situations really arent comparable.
all that is true. that is why I don't think James is the best ever. but hell, it is just one guy's opinion. Jordan played better defense and shot the ball better. The only way James is better is he is a better assist guy but Jordan wouldn't let anyone else take the shot at crunch time which James doesn't have that in him. And for those who will say that James is better at taking over the game now, it is something he had to learn, not like the greats who it comes naturally to. He wouldn't even start if I could make up a dream squad. It would be Jordan, Stockton, Magic, Bird and Kareem.
I don't know about Jordan playing better defense...James can play defense against anybody and any position. Jordan couldn't do that. Jordan relied more on his speed. Jordan also wouldn't be able to defend James...
James is also a better teammate on and off court than Jordan ever was. Not saying that James is better, but it's not cut and dry that Jordan is better.
Jordan was Defensive Player of the Year a couple of times, didn't he?
I know he was at least once. The criticism there is that he won it mostly on name and "brand."
Also James is more versatile than Jordan and a better passer than Jordan. He may not have averaged more points, but he, as an all around player, a case can be made.
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