Birth Place Of Freedom Vs The Racists

Diesel44 · Sep 10, 2013

full metal jacket was the last movie i saw with my daddy before he left this world in 1987.the last football game we watched was a monday night game when the 1987 strike team when into dallas and beat the cowboys13-7.the cowboys team had a bunch of veterans who crossed the pickett line,and the skins had a convict on work release named tony robinson as their qb.

DawkinsINT · Sep 10, 2013

WTF....you can't bring your dead "daddy" into smack talk.

smeags · Sep 10, 2013

One down ... next

Diesel44 · Sep 10, 2013

can I bring eminem on acid into it?

smeags · Nov 19, 2013

Well racists got beat again. Team is starting to fall apart under shanny which many of us predicted.

Its not the 90's skins fans. The guy sucks as a head coach.

Shanny = gibbs part II

ram29jackson · Nov 19, 2013

I like/love the Redskins and their football history.

I can see the tiniest possibility that the team name might be crass but the fact is I don't want it changed unless they are allowed to keep the logo. And the guy fronting the whole thing is just doing it for political gain anyway.

Walnuts · Nov 19, 2013

Well that is certainly a relevant point to the discussion at hand.

ram29jackson · Nov 19, 2013

Anti-Redskins activist confronted at press conference | The Daily Caller

The Daily Caller previously reported that Halbritter, a 1/4 Indian and Obama crony, is not a legitimate member of the Oneida Indian Nation, according to U.S. Census rolls and geneological documents.

“I asked him, ‘how are you qualified to be a spokesperson for the Native American people? You’re talking about civil rights and you’re throwing away my client’s civil rights,”" Assemblywoman Claudia Tenney told The Daily Caller.

Tenney’s legal client Melvin Phillips, 76, is a full-blooded Oneida who will be evicted from his ancestral land if a deal struck between Halbritter, New York governor Andrew Cuomo, and a New York Oneida County executive goes through. Halbritter previously evicted his own aunt Maisie, who opposed his tribal leadership.

“His communications guy [Joel Barkin] interrupted me and told me I have to leave because I’m not a legitimate member of the press,” Tenney said. “I replied that I’m a New York State Assemblywoman. He said, ‘then go back to the New York State Assembly.’”

“Halbritter said to me, ‘why don’t you just sue us?’ I said, ‘we have,’” Tenney added. “They asked me to leave…They had hotel security escort me out of the building.”

Read more: Anti-Redskins activist confronted at press conference | The Daily Caller
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Walnuts · Nov 19, 2013

Also super relevant.

ram29jackson · Nov 19, 2013

Hail To the Redskins: NFL Must Save Name, Image, Legacy

It was common at the time for teams in the upstart NFL to adopt the names of the more established local baseball teams, especially since the baseball clubs often hosted the NFL teams’ home games.
•Chicago was home to baseball’s Cubs. So combative George Halas one-upped them and renamed his young team the Bears in 1922.
•New York City in the 1920s was home to three baseball teams, including the National League Giants. The Mara family adopted the name Giants when they founded their NFL franchise in 1925. Both teams played in the same famed Polo Grounds.
•The NFL’s Pittsburgh Steelers began life as the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1933.

The new NFL team in Boston in 1932 followed that tradition when it adopted the same name, same red color scheme and same feathered Indian head logo of Saint Tammany, while playing in the same Braves Field.

The Boston Football Braves lasted only one year. They moved to Fenway Park, the home of the American League’s Red Sox, the following season.

The young NFL franchise suddenly faced a branding conundrum, an indentity crisis.

They could no longer keep the name Braves. Yet they wanted to continue the tradition of red in the Boston uniform, now dating across two sports, three sports leagues and more than five decades. They wanted to keep alive the franchise’s Native American heritage and image. And they wanted to pay tribute to their new home-field hosts, the Red Sox.

The name Redskins was a perfect fit on every front: tradition, history, patriotism, home-team tribute and even color scheme. It also afforded the franchise an opportunity keep alive the distinctive Tammany Hall Indian head logo. (You can see the evolution of Redskins logos here at Chris Creamer's SportsLogos.net.)

Hell, the name Redskins was not just perfect. It was brilliant. The name was seen at the time (and is still seen by the American public in general and the Native American community in particular) as all sports names are seen: as a tribute, not an insult.

Critics of the Redskins name routinely point out that team owner George Preston Marshall was a racist. Evidence seems to indicate he was. And they use this fact as the foundation of their belief that the name Redskins must also be racist. But as a friend posted on Facebook: "Someone please tell me a SINGLE good reason a team would select a derogatory name to call themselves. There isn't, they didn't, get over it."

Boston didn’t quite work out for the team, of course. Marshall moved the franchise to Washington D.C. before the 1937 season. They drafted an amazing ballplayer out of TCU that year named Sammy Baugh, the Pigskin Messiah.

The Redskins won the NFL championship that very same 1937 season and began a long, storied history in the nation’s capital – a history under assault right now.

The Redskins are the only team in the nation's most popular sport that pays tribute to the original Americans and to the history and spirit of a forgotten figure in our national history. It's a tribute everytime the Redskins take the field to a “sainted” Native American holy man beloved by the young nation in our struggling early days.

It’s only fitting that the Redskins play today it in the nation’s capital, in the city named for the Father of His Country: the words Washington Redskins joined side by side, much the way Americans saw themselves at the nation’s founding, a unique blend of transplanted European and native American forging a new culture and a new kind of nation on the world stage.

It's important that Americans rally to support the Redskins, to keep this legacy alive.

Hell, if we change the name of the Redskins, we might as well change the name of Washington D.C.
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ram29jackson · Nov 19, 2013

same link

Hail To the Redskins: NFL Must Save Name, Image, Legacy

There’s a bigger issue here, too: There’s been a movement afoot in recent decades to rewrite and simplify American history, to paint our national origins as a source of shame instead of a source of pride that unites us as Americans first.

It’s anti-intellectual, blunt-head trauma Howard Zinn-style pop history. The way colonial American history is portrayed and taught these days is largely as a combative situation of white Europeans slaughtering the red-skinned natives.

The natives sure as hell got the short end of the stick. But the truth, as the example of Tammany shows, is far more complex than the pop version modern history.

The truth is that the unknown and unintended impact of disease largely wiped out native populations during the days of European exploration and that European settlers arrived to find weakened even broken societies, putting the prehistoric natives (a people with no writing) at yet another disadvantage.

The truth is that red-skinned Americans lived in near perpetual states of intertribal and even civil warfare, much like white Europeans did back in the Old World.

The truth is that both races had enemies even among their "own kind" and used each other to gain advantage over them.

The Wampanoags, to cite one example of thousands, encouraged Pilgrim Myles Standish to engage in a joint attack on Wessagusett, a short distance from my home, where they slaughtered an encampment of Massachusetts Indians.

The Massachusetts were seated an even shorter distance from my home, at a spot called Moswetuset Hummock, from which the state gets its name.

Geographic place names are testament to the fact that the interaction was more complex than the one-sided pop-history version.

The truth is that the story was not always one of white VERSE red. The relations were often far friendlier, like that of Penn and Tammany. European Americans and Native Americans often lived side by side, befriended each other, fought together, loved each other, intermarried and, of course, reproduced. Millions of Americans today boast mixed-race ancestry.

We should celebrate those legacies that unite our culture and make it in unique. We should celebrate the history and legacy of the Washington Redskins
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smeags · Nov 19, 2013

So let me get this straight, your argument is based on an article from a white guy, who is more known as a food/beer reporter ?

There has to be more right ?

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